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		<title>Layouts: The Huddle&#8217;s Stuff, And Mine</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go read the issue. Miranda Roth and others tout the inside lane for when you&#8217;re going to get the block, and the reasoning for this is solid (namely, that it&#8217;s nearly impossible to get the reach-around outside-shoulder D sans dangerous play); however, I&#8217;d caution enterprising stud defenders out there to recognize the copious warnings against [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.the-huddle.org/issues/19/">Go read the issue.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-huddle.org/issues/19/footwork/">Miranda Roth</a> and others tout the inside lane for when you&#8217;re going to get the block, and the reasoning for this is solid (namely, that it&#8217;s nearly impossible to get the reach-around outside-shoulder D sans dangerous play); however, I&#8217;d caution enterprising stud defenders out there to recognize the copious warnings against overzealous baiting, and to only take the inside lane (aka conceding the deep cut) when you&#8217;re certain the throw will go up&#8211;or it already has.<span id="fullpost"></p>
<p>The Huddle&#8217;s authors don&#8217;t go into a ton of depth on the technical side of laying out, which underscores the importance of how you deploy the layout (i.e., in the context of a larger <i>team</i> defensive strategy) over fixating on the details. If you&#8217;re looking for a slightly more technical look at layout technique, however, <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/catchingdefensive-thought-layout.html">I&#8217;ve posted on that previously</a> (note that I&#8217;ve tidied up the original a little&#8230;the topic bears revisiting, and once I have some fresh victi-uh, fodder-er, <i>athletes</i> to work with next year, I&#8217;ll likely have some more concrete experience teaching to draw from for that purpose). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written about <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/mental-components-of-layout-training.html">the mental side and visualization</a> a bit too (I&#8217;d take the Huddle&#8217;s &#8220;Many mediocre players spent many hours visualizing these outcomes&#8221; line more as a caution against fixating on daydreams of sweet universe-point callahan layouts to the exclusion of visualizing a realistic one, rather than a condemnation of visualization itself).</span></p>


<p><strong>Related posts:<strong></p><ol><li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/08/the-huddle-is-a-gold-mine-response-to-issue-no-8-catching.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: The Huddle is a Gold Mine. (Response to Issue No. 8, &quot;Catching&quot;)'>The Huddle is a Gold Mine. (Response to Issue No. 8, &quot;Catching&quot;)</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/04/visualization-see-success.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Visualization: See Success'>Visualization: See Success</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2009/04/the-huddles-college-survey-data-and-my-methods.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: The Huddle&#8217;s College Survey Data, and My Methods'>The Huddle&#8217;s College Survey Data, and My Methods</a></li>
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		<title>The Mental Components of Layout Training</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Visualize, visualize, visualize. Simple? Depends. Visualization is a SKILL. Former teammates or blog readers should know that I&#8217;m a big proponent of visualization as a means to success. So, you&#8217;ve hopefully read the link above and/or are familiar with visualization, generally. How does that apply specifically with regards to layout training? For me, there are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visualize, visualize, visualize.</p>
<p>Simple?  Depends.</p>
<p><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/04/visualization-see-success.html">Visualization is a SKILL</a>.  Former teammates or blog readers should know that I&#8217;m a big proponent of visualization as a means to success.</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;ve hopefully read the link above and/or are familiar with visualization, generally.  How does that apply specifically with regards to layout training?</p>
<p>For me, there are a couple crucial points to master if you expect to lay out successfully in game situations:
<ul>
<li>Pre-layout&#8211;anticipate, be ready</li>
<p>
<li>Disc is in the air&#8211;go for it!</li>
<p>
<li>Layout execution&#8211;technique</li>
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<li>(minor point)Get back up and play!</li>
</ul>
<p>Now, to touch on each individually&#8230;<br /><span id="fullpost"><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Pre-layout&#8211;anticipate, be ready</span>: A huge part of defense is anticipation (more on that later this week).  If you&#8217;re laying out on defense, before you ever get horizontal you need to know when you should be ready to bid and when you should be priming other actions instead(again, more on this later).  You can help yourself to recognize some of these situations more quickly and effectively through visualization, but some degree of in-game experience is also necessary here.  You can think up simple situations which lead to layouts (you&#8217;re on defense, right on your man&#8217;s hip, as he cuts in for the disc), but invariably there are other situations where you might want to bid that you won&#8217;t anticipate.  Learn to see these opportunities when you miss them, and prepare yourself mentally to pounce on them in the future.  Offensively the situations tend to be more clear-cut, but if you always expect perfect throws to your chest you&#8217;ll find yourself surprised by the rare errant ones.  Try to err the other way in your expectations and you&#8217;re liable to catch a lot more that comes your way.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Disc is in the air&#8211;go for it!</span>: So, you recognize the situation.  You&#8217;re right there, ready to go.  The disc is thrown&#8230;what do you do?  It&#8217;s not at all uncommon to pull up or choke in this situation when you&#8217;re just learning to lay out.  Why?  You&#8217;re still uncomfortable with executing the layout.  Maybe some situations&#8211;big game, you&#8217;re really fired up&#8211;you go for, and others you don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s normal to have a threshold for this sort of thing, but you want to make that threshold pretty low&#8211;so that you laying out or not laying out is not a matter of how revved up you are, but whether you decide to lay out or not.  Again, visualization can help here.  Run through situations in your mind&#8211;remember to perceive these situations in detail, focus on the disc coming your way&#8211;and get the reps you need to get over the mental block with some mental effort.  </p>
<p>A friend of mine got over his mental block by mixing visualization with physical practice&#8211;he would have me throw a frisbee to some target&#8211;he started off with a trash can, and worked up to progressively faster-moving human targets (they started off at a walking speed, worked up to 50/70/90%, etc), running up and laying out past the target to get the disc.  You might have success with the same.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Layout execution&#8211;technique</span>: I&#8217;ve already gone into the physical components in <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/catchingdefensive-thought-layout.html">last week&#8217;s post</a>, so give that a look.  The key is to visualize these components in slow motion&#8211;you absolutely will not be able to focus on all of these things in the heat of the moment (in fact, focusing on anything other than the disc is likely to hinder your performance), so you have to do the mental legwork well beforehand if you&#8217;re to get it right without thinking later.  Again, visualize detail&#8211;see (or feel) yourself exploding into your takeoff, extending forwards, flying through the air, and absorbing the impact through your torso while keeping your head, knees and arms all out of harm&#8217;s way.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Get back up and play!</span>: Successful bid or no, you need to get up.  This is particularly important on defense, when a missed bid means your man is getting off an unmarked throw&#8211;or on offense, when a missed bid means your man could now be sprinting deep uncovered or picking up the disc to get off a throw while you&#8217;re preoccupied on the ground.  This is partly a visualization exercise&#8211;recognize (anticipate) the need to get back up before you hit the ground&#8211;but this is also part fitness.  Upper body strength is underrated for importance in ultimate, and it is in exactly this situation that all those pushups/bench presses/burpess (the third is my personal favorite, as it actually trains pushing up into a standing position) will come in handy.  I take pride in my bids, and I also take pride in recovering from my bids.<br /></span></p>


<p><strong>Related posts:<strong></p><ol><li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/04/visualization-see-success.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Visualization: See Success'>Visualization: See Success</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/07/catching-thought-layout-grabs.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Catching Thought: Layout Grabs'>Catching Thought: Layout Grabs</a></li>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oft lauded, much coveted. The bid. How? There&#8217;s a mental side to it. But, as with most skills, the mental merely enables the physical&#8211;you still have to do the work. What are the fine points of such? Please keep in mind that I&#8217;m talking about ideal layout technique; circumstances may dictate a more reckless bid [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oft lauded, much coveted.</p>
<p>The bid. How?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/mental-components-of-layout-training.html">a mental side to it</a>.  But, as with most skills, the mental merely enables the physical&#8211;you still have to do the work.  What are the fine points of such? <span id="fullpost"></p>
<p>Please keep in mind that I&#8217;m talking about <span style="font-style: italic;">ideal</span> layout technique; circumstances may dictate a more reckless bid (with regards to your own body; I do NOT advocate laying out into other players) in order to ensure success, but if you want a long career as an ultimate player more of your bids will be like what&#8217;s described below.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><b>The Essentials</b></span>  <br />If you don&#8217;t care for nitty-gritty you check out <a href="#pictures">some of the example bids I size up at the bottom of this post</a> to get a sense of what I mean.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">LANDING</span> is perhaps the most important component of a good layout. Sometimes you&#8217;ll sacrifice this for the sake of the big play, but honestly, in the big picture you&#8217;re going to want to get up and walk away from any bid you make (without an arm held to the side, to boot).</p>
<p>The landing:
<ul>
<li><span style="font-weight: bold;">Should be absorbed primarily by your stomach and chest. Ancillary components of impact absorption include your arms and (upper) legs, but both of these have their risks.  With arms, keep them extended in front to avoid landing ON them or torquing them in such a way that you might tear something/absorb the brunt of the impact with them.  The arms are more for <span style="font-style: italic;">guiding</span> the landing pad that is your torso, and for assisting in keeping your head up.  With legs, you might get SOME force here, but this is an injury risk for the knees, so they should not be the primary absorbers at all (ideally they won&#8217;t absorb any impact).</p>
<p><b><span style="color: red;">Bend your knees and lift your head before you land</span></b>, and the resulting position you hit the ground with should force your torso downward so it hits the ground first.</p>
<p></span></li>
<li><span style="font-weight: bold;">Should be done at speed (i.e., not from a standstill)</span>: My biggest issue with the fall-over layout (and I&#8217;ll touch on this more in a little bit) is that it forces your torso on a downward vector when it impacts the ground.  Ideally, your impact vector should have a much larger horizontal than vertical component.  Ever wonder why layouts hurt less in the rain?  It&#8217;s partly due to give of the mud, but largely it&#8217;s due to being able to slide further&#8211;by extending the duration of your impact (sliding means your impact is spread over more space, and therefore more time), the overall force on your body is lessened.  This means less achy, quicker return to action. (UPDATE: See <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/catchingdefensive-thought-layout.html?showComment=1219329060000#c5767822284934075232">the comments</a> for some dispute on the matter&#8211;details of the physics notwithstanding, I stand by my point).
</li>
<li><span style="font-weight: bold;">Should have you hit with your chest flat to the ground</span>.  Sorry, ladies, but this is the easiest way to ensure you get maximum surface area for impact (again, the more you can spread the layout impact over space, the less force any one point will experience).  You&#8217;ll see sidewise bids, rolling bids, but there are a few risks in such layouts, number one being the shoulder.  You do NOT, under any circumstances, want your shoulder(s) taking the brunt of the impact.  This is why I encourage caution with using the arms to cushion a bid, and this is a large part of why I discourage rolling or sideways bids.  Even if you lay out sideways, you can torque in midair to avoid the shoulder and encourage more chest/stomach impact.
<p>Soccer goalie types will be familiar with the sideways/rolling/fall over bid to absorb impact, but doing so is pretty technical (and beyond the scope of this post).  Roll at your own risk.</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">The TAKEOFF</span> is where the real trick to laying out comes.  Landing properly ensures you live to bid another day, but a good takeoff makes a good landing a LOT easier.</p>
<p>My main thought with regards to takeoff:</p>
<div style="color: red;"><b>A layout is a horizontal jump.</b></div>
<p>If you&#8217;ve swum, or have been watching <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Phelps">Phelps</a> dominate the Olympics, you&#8217;ll know what I&#8217;m getting at here to some extent.  What I don&#8217;t mean is jumping upwards and out with your body arcing (think gazelle bounding through the African Savannah&#8211;explosive? Yes. Impressive? Sure! Efficient for laying out? No).&nbsp;</span></p>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/Sh_OHW1gquI/AAAAAAAACY0/3A-a1camumo/s1600-h/gazelle-picture.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/Sh_OHW1gquI/AAAAAAAACY0/3A-a1camumo/s400/gazelle-picture.jpg" /></a></div>
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Impressive for sure, but not your ideal ultimate player.</span></p>
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<p>What I <span style="font-weight: bold;">do</span> mean is exploding straight towards your target in much the same way you would jump upwards for a sky&#8211;only instead of exploding vertically into the air, your torso is tilted such that your momentum and thrust direct you horizontally toward the disc.</p>
<p>A simple <b style="color: blue;">drill</b> I like to do to teach this kind of form, with which I&#8217;ve had mixed success (about as much as I&#8217;ve seen with all manner of layout drill&#8211;this is a tough skill to teach, and to some extent you can only guide your athletes to a point where they will figure it out for themselves):<br /></span><br />
<blockquote><span id="fullpost"> Hold a frisbee several feet in front of the athlete.  Have them get in a &#8220;starting&#8221; position as they would for a race (no hands on the ground)&#8211;lowered center of gravity, weight on the front foot.  If that&#8217;s not a good cue, have them get in the position they might when jumping off one foot&#8211;again, weight on front foot, lowered center of gravity.  Have them tilt their body forwards until their upper body is directed toward the disc (perhaps not completely horizontal, but as close to it as possible&#8211;they&#8217;ll need to feel it out for themselves a bit with trial and error).  In this position, where their weight is pulling them forwards to the point of falling, tell them to explode forwards and grab the frisbee (you can also do this without a disc, but it&#8217;s good to have a carrot for motivation).  It&#8217;s critical to hold the disc far enough in front that they have to get forward momentum before impact, otherwise they&#8217;ll flop straight down and it&#8217;ll hurt (and that doesn&#8217;t particularly encourage further practice!).  </span></p>
<p><span id="fullpost"><b><span style="color: red;">The tilt of your upper body directs the force of your legs</span></b>, so really emphasize the direction the upper body is pointing in (i.e., horizontally) as a means to ensure good takeoff form along with arm drive. Encourage them to explode forward (not upward!) as much as you can.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span id="fullpost">  This drill teaches the critical last takeoff step.&nbsp;&nbsp;<b><span style="color: red;">The penultimate step is also critical for lowering the center of gravity</span></b> going into the last step, but to add that complicates the drill a little; I&#8217;m a fan of simple progression.  That said, I&#8217;m still searching for an ideal drill here; your own experiments with adding an extra step might yield better results.&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span id="fullpost">I vastly prefer this drill to more brute-force approaches which simply tell players to run and lay out without much guidance (but with a lot of pain along the way).  You can get to doing the real thing eventually, but train the components first!</span></p>
<p><span id="fullpost">For the landing, fall-overs from one&#8217;s knees can help with getting used to taking the impact on the torso (make sure they get the legs up on every fall, so they&#8217;re not learning to hit their knees first).Then I&#8217;d suggest doing the no-step drill I&#8217;ve described above, and then perhaps add in a one- or two/three-step approach before shifting to a full running start.</p>
<p></span><b><span style="color: red;">Remember: horizontal jump</span></b><span id="fullpost">.  Not a flop.  Not a gazelle.  Perhaps &#8220;horizontal explosion&#8221; is more accurate a description.  I would add video here, but my means are currently limited&#8211;perhaps in a later post&#8230;</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">THE CATCH/D (Arm use while in flight)</span>.  I&#8217;ve already <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/07/catching-thought-layout-grabs.html">mused about layout grabs a little bit</a>.  Short version: you might want to teach two-handed grabs to rookies to encourage proper body position.  In the long run, however, the one-hander allows for a bit more arm guidance/cushioning on landing, which also helps a lot.  Almost universally, you want to grab with fingers underneath or be prepared to roll your hand over to ensure that the disc isn&#8217;t stripped from your grip on impact with the ground (thumb facing the ground on impact=generally too weak, unless you&#8217;re two-handing).</p>
<p>Keep your arms extended in front of you!  Under no circumstances should your arms be caught under your body (off to the side is acceptable).  If you&#8217;re doing a close-to-the-chest pancake grab or likewise more of a fall-over bid, landing on your shoulder (BAD! BAD!), try and roll as much as you can to avoid crushing your arms and to spread the impact so your shoulder isn&#8217;t completely hosed (I&#8217;d suggest avoiding this sort of grab entirely if you have shoulder issues).</p>
<p><b> Other common means of learning/practicing layout technique:</b><br /></span>
<ul>
<li><span id="fullpost"> Laying out onto a soft surface, such as a bed or high jump pit.  Rainy days also make wonderful layout practice days.  The dirt and mud add an extra degree of &#8220;cool&#8221; to the proceedings.</p>
<p></span></li>
<li><span id="fullpost"> The pool.  Careful not to belly flop!  But you can layout into a dive to work on takeoff technique and getting comfortable in the air.
<p></span></li>
<li><span id="fullpost"> Visualization. More on this <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/mental-components-of-layout-training.html">elsewhere on the blog</a>.
<p></span></li>
<li><span id="fullpost"> Gratuity/overzealousness on the ultimate field.  You&#8217;ve all known that guy who lays out for everything.  I feel like it&#8217;s a phase for a lot of layout learners&#8211;building confidence in the skill and testing one&#8217;s limits&#8211;but sometimes it comes too early, before technique is good enough, resulting in frequent injury or injury risk, and other times this phase never ends and you get guys who routinely lay out for discs they have no chance of D&#8217;ing or catching.  Whoops.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span id="fullpost">  Feel free to chime in with your own thoughts and ideas here.  More than anything else in ultimate I&#8217;ve found layouts to be very difficult to get a good universal teaching method for.  Sometimes people take to layouts like a fish to water, and others like oil.  How do you reconcile the gap between what we think we&#8217;re capable of and what we&#8217;re actually capable of?</p>
<p><span style="font-size: large; font-weight: bold;"><a href="http://draft.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=17210644&amp;postID=1349474587118482388" name="pictures"></a>Layout Examples</span><br />Pulling on some of the<a href="http://scaughtyphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/5700800_xkn35#351598273_Ko8eS-L-LB" title="The picture linked is me throwing a break huck for a goal against the '08 Callahan winner.  Oh, glory days...">&#8217;08 College Natties photos</a>, which capture a LOT of great bids&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhtpKawVI/AAAAAAAAAEM/w7I_f9zAbTk/s1600-h/painful+1.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119791124693330" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhtpKawVI/AAAAAAAAAEM/w7I_f9zAbTk/s400/painful+1.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhtVuu63I/AAAAAAAAAEE/ZXA1ysIf_Kc/s1600-h/painful+2.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119785908300658" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhtVuu63I/AAAAAAAAAEE/ZXA1ysIf_Kc/s400/painful+2.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />This I would characterize as a painful landing.  You can tell (look at the previous pic) that he&#8217;s curling instead of extending for his impact (likely due to the looming collision with Robin), meaning he&#8217;s probably going to hit knees first.  Extend your torso into your landing&#8230;though he might be in the right here bracing for impact instead of the landing.</p>
<p><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTI0FMUI/AAAAAAAAAFk/_VwZARgpLtQ/s1600-h/takeoff+1.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120435276099906" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTI0FMUI/AAAAAAAAAFk/_VwZARgpLtQ/s400/takeoff+1.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTfEuWEI/AAAAAAAAAFs/Gh-KOinT3pk/s1600-h/takeoff+2.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120441251485762" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTfEuWEI/AAAAAAAAAFs/Gh-KOinT3pk/s400/takeoff+2.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTs86huI/AAAAAAAAAF0/kOmKckdADfc/s1600-h/takeoff+3.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120444976826082" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTs86huI/AAAAAAAAAF0/kOmKckdADfc/s400/takeoff+3.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTqjm-QI/AAAAAAAAAF8/R71qEZp_5XE/s1600-h/takeoff+4.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120444333816066" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiTqjm-QI/AAAAAAAAAF8/R71qEZp_5XE/s400/takeoff+4.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />This sequence shows a good takeoff.  You can see pretty clearly that Dermo is extending off of his left leg, explodes forward </span><span id="fullpost">with a good body tilt (torso forward)</span><span id="fullpost">, and his trajectory is such that his torso is thrown directly towards his target (that might be harder to tell in the initial two photos, but you can tell by the follow-through in the third and fourth).  His left leg winds up staying a little low for impact, though sometimes that&#8217;s the sacrifice you make when you really put all your effort in to getting the disc as soon as possible (but note that Dermott has suffered from consistent knee issues from bashing them on layouts. Note the pad on the right knee).</p>
<p><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiDN-l_4I/AAAAAAAAAFU/U7H1VoFWNKQ/s1600-h/fallover+1.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120161784463234" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiDN-l_4I/AAAAAAAAAFU/U7H1VoFWNKQ/s400/fallover+1.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiDMEC28I/AAAAAAAAAFc/iP3y1wFjszk/s1600-h/fallover+2.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120161270455234" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbiDMEC28I/AAAAAAAAAFc/iP3y1wFjszk/s400/fallover+2.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />This is more of a fall-over bid (though done from a run).  You can tell by the way his entire body moves downwards in the second picture, rather than his chest carrying from takeoff.  Note the awkward-looking landing there, where his right leg is clearly going to hit the ground first </span><span id="fullpost">(and not just any part&#8211;the knee gets full service)</span><span id="fullpost">.  Also note that a layout in which he explodes more directly towards the disc instead of falling over is likely a D, given how close he is on the fall over.</p>
<p><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhuKfyjgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rpdojkUfXqM/s1600-h/351601765_rCsPy-L.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119800072703490" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhuKfyjgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rpdojkUfXqM/s400/351601765_rCsPy-L.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />This is me laying out (I got my hand on it, but guys don&#8217;t win Callahan awards without knowing how to go to).  I wish I had a sequence so I could analyze my own layout technique (and so you could better decide if I&#8217;m preaching what I practice), but in this picture you can at least note the curvature of my body&#8211;thrusting my torso forwards, legs are curling so they won&#8217;t impact first.  The momentum of exploding forwards with my torso means it&#8217;ll come downwards to hit the ground before my legs do&#8211;and you can hardly tell this in the photo, but my right arm (that isn&#8217;t reaching for the disc) is already positioned such that it can help absorb impact when I do hit the ground.</p>
<p><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh5g3nCeI/AAAAAAAAAEs/KtiyVbkTbEg/s1600-h/height+1.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119995056753122" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh5g3nCeI/AAAAAAAAAEs/KtiyVbkTbEg/s400/height+1.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br /><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh5wOSO3I/AAAAAAAAAE0/GZiVe7w2rYo/s1600-h/height+2.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119999178390386" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh5wOSO3I/AAAAAAAAAE0/GZiVe7w2rYo/s400/height+2.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br /><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh6Buwb9I/AAAAAAAAAE8/y6z8vDOvkwg/s1600-h/height+3.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120003877990354" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh6Buwb9I/AAAAAAAAAE8/y6z8vDOvkwg/s400/height+3.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />This sequence is a wonderful example of a bid at height.  You&#8217;ll note the right arm moves on descent, preparing to cushion impact out of the way of the torso and that, for having laid out to reach above his head height for the disc, there&#8217;s still a torque throwing his torso down faster than his legs as they begin to come up out of the way.</p>
<p><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh6LvdMhI/AAAAAAAAAFE/hnrb9Y8XpJ8/s1600-h/height+a.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120006565278226" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh6LvdMhI/AAAAAAAAAFE/hnrb9Y8XpJ8/s400/height+a.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh6bFscAI/AAAAAAAAAFM/I-YLypU4J0c/s1600-h/height+b.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235120010685083650" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbh6bFscAI/AAAAAAAAAFM/I-YLypU4J0c/s400/height+b.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />Another great sequence of a bid at height.</p>
<p><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbht5ZAtLI/AAAAAAAAAEc/EuuvUXMBWXU/s1600-h/perfect+1.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119795480868018" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbht5ZAtLI/AAAAAAAAAEc/EuuvUXMBWXU/s400/perfect+1.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhtwLKhyI/AAAAAAAAAEU/nuezvZyT-mE/s1600-h/perfect+2.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235119793006872354" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5Y_Ub33wEPw/SKbhtwLKhyI/AAAAAAAAAEU/nuezvZyT-mE/s400/perfect+2.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /></a><br />This is something close to what I think of when I think of a perfect bid.  Full extension, great technique.</p>
<p>There are most assuredly countless other great layout pictures.  But don&#8217;t just look through pictures or watch video with a mind for &#8220;wow,&#8221; watch with a mind to learn.  Key in on the little details.  Make your own judgments.  Use the images as tools for visualization (!).</p>
<p>UPDATE: Jamie Nuwer&#8217;s <a href="http://injurytimeout.org/layout_safety.html">guide to layout safety</a> is worth reading, along with the rest of the <a href="http://injurytimeout.org/index.html">injury timeout site</a>.<br /></span></p>


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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:Georgia;">As I alluded to earlier, relative positioning of the disc (to receiver and defender) is a key consideration not just for the thrower, but for the receiver in situations where the defender is close.</p>
<p>This notion should affect a receiver a few ways:
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<li>When setting up one&#8217;s cuts, have a mind for where your defender will be when you finally pick a direction to move in.  Some of the most frustratingly effective cuts that have been made on me (and which I in turn started making) are set up very simply by moving until the cutter is between the defender and where the cutter expects to receive the disc.  In this way, a quick movement gives the cutter the innate advantage of a well-positioned throw without requiring a ton of effort on the part of the thrower.</li>
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<li>As soon as the disc goes into the air, a good receiver will not move simply to catch the disc as soon as possible&#8211;she will also move, perhaps laterally somewhat in addition to the direction she&#8217;s already running in, to position her body behind the the disc&#8217;s trajectory. <span id="fullpost"> In so doing she will put her body in the way of the disc, making a play more difficult for a defender (picture a football receiver shuffling to catch the ball rather than reaching, allowing them to take a hit while receiving the ball without fumbling).</li>
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<li>Along with 2, a good receiver will catch the disc such that a defender cannot make a play through his body without fouling him.  This means either attacking the disc as soon as possible in front of him, or, if pancaking the disc (this is seen with some frequency at the elite level), will position his arms such that the lower arm is on the side of his body that the defender is likely to bid from&#8211;a good layout D comes from a low angle (high, gazelle-style layouts (hi Watson), while impressive looking, contain a lot of wasted motion in the up-down plane and are less likely to get to the disc as quickly), so using your arm as a buffer (catching with your arm under puts your elbow in the way) in addition to your already well-positioned body makes a clean D nearly impossible.</li>
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<p>Feel free to comment if you have additional thoughts here.  Certainly the case is such that sometimes you need to lay out for the grab, but that falls under &#8220;exceptional&#8221; rather than &#8220;good,&#8221; in my opinion.</span></span></p>


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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font Face=Georgia>This is something I never really thought about until this spring, when I was teaching somebody how to lay out.</p>
<p>How do you grab the disc when you lay out?</p>
<p>As far as I can gather, there are a few standard styles:</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">1)</span> The two hander.  You rim catch with both hands or do something close to it, landing full extension with your arms in front of you.  <a href="http://www.chasingplastic.com/graphic-elements/tourney-images/wucc-02/womens/wf-roit-screaming-layout.jpg" class="broken_link">This woman</a> missed in her bid and is apparently screaming in frustration for it), but she&#8217;s going for the two hander here.<br /><span id="fullpost"><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">2)</span> The &#8220;lay out clap.&#8221;  You get horizontal, but clap catch&#8211;this often leads to a roll on the landing or a landing on the shoulder.  Probably the most dangerous kind of layout catch you can do.  <a href="http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2134285/Patscores-main_Full.jpg">This guy</a> isn&#8217;t even fully extended, and is in for a world of hurt in about two seconds.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">3)</span> One handers.  With a few subsets, the gist of what I&#8217;m thinking about here:<br />-Fingers on top&#8211;for those high grabs you reach up for<br />-Fingers on bottom&#8211;for those low ones you need to get your hand under</p>
<p>You can see the general body mechanics at work in <a href="http://www.pragueaccommodations.com/layout.jpg">this picture</a>, despite it being a defensive bid.  One arm for the disc, the other to guide the body down to the ground.</p>
<p>I ONLY grab frisbees on a layout one handed, with my fingers underneath.  And generally right handed when I can swing it, though I think I&#8217;m ok with both.  Any of the other styles (save the clap, which I try to avoid but will pull out every so often if necessary), I&#8217;m very liable to bonk (with fingers on top) or hurt myself (with both arms extended&#8211;I always use one to cushion my fall).</p>
<p>Do you have any preference?  What&#8217;s standard for you, and why?  I&#8217;ve decided I prefer one handers because it allows for maximal extension and a braced landing (and I fancy myself consistent enough with the one-handed grab that the two hander is unnecessary).  And I prefer fingers underneath because it&#8217;s an easier transition to sliding on the ground without having the disc stripped, as I use my forearm for impact absorption on the landing (I&#8217;ll do a more extensive post on layout technique sometime later).  Think about what works and why.  And PRACTICE if you&#8217;re unhappy with your skillset!  <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/04/visualization-see-success.html">Visualization</a> is a nice tool to practice layouts without the extra wear and tear of throwing yourself on the ground repeatedly, if physical practice is too painful.  But it&#8217;s through repetition that you&#8217;ll find the most success in-game.</span></font></p>


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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fine art, though few view it as such. A more common view for many could be any of the following: Nothing new, A sign of the young, overzealous college player, something wonderful, something dangerous, the list goes on. It&#8217;s so many things all at once, and I think it&#8217;s a marvelous tool to have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">A fine art, though few view it as such. A more common view for many could be any of the following: Nothing new, A sign of the young, overzealous college player, something wonderful, something dangerous, the list goes on. It&#8217;s so many things all at once, and I think it&#8217;s a marvelous tool to have in one&#8217;s repetoire, if used correctly.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">But first, a short how-to. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Put simply, a bid is falling with style. Because one wants to reach a disc which is too low, moving too fast at one&#8217;s side, or just generally out of reach whilst standing, the bid is used as a means to force the body to move in such a way that the disc is within reach. </span><br /><span style="font-family: georgia;">Sounds simple, but there are a number of mental blocks and physical blocks that prevent it from being instinctive for most.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">The budding bid-happy college player goes through several phases before really reaching the point where the bid is practical for the player and in-game (there may be more, but these are the phases I&#8217;ve gone through):</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">1) Oh man, laying out is so awesome. One is in awe of the bid, and wants to have it. This phase is generally typified by lots of comments when somebody bids, audibly enough for several nearby players to hear, in the hopes that conversation on the topic will yield some insight not yet afforded to the budding bidder.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">2) Research. Perhaps a foray into the internet, perhaps simply through Q&#038;A with one who&#8217;s been there, one comes to understand some of what goes into a bid&#8211;see the disc, know you need to layout, layout. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">3) Failed attempts. This could range from wanting to bid but only being able to get on one&#8217;s knees before falling, thinking the bid is necessary but hostering it in a given situation, or perhaps as far as jumping and falling willy-nilly at whatever is within range, which is the most dangerous as it can result in poor landings and serious injury. All these things have in common is that it gets a player ready for real-time layouts; the comfort zone is continually expanded.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">4) Success. Whether it be simply while tossing, for a D in the zone, or an offensive bid, whatever, there comes a moment where one finds success. One doesn&#8217;t necessarily need to catch the disc or get a hand on it to have a successful bid; generally, one has the realization after it happens&#8211;holy crap, I just </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: georgia;">flew.</span><span style="font-family: georgia;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">5) Bid-happy. The budding bidder is at a dangerous point; with the newfound bidding ability, it becomes all too easy to do it whenever one can, as practice/showing off. This leads to many heckles of &#8220;gratuitous&#8221;, but also is an injury risk. Laying out is not a painless thing; it really requires a mind-over-matter sort of mentality. It&#8217;s definitely possible to hurt one&#8217;s hips and shoulders with improper form, particularly if repeated, and even with proper form (absorbing the impact with one&#8217;s torso) repeated collision can lead to a lot of arm scrapes (I&#8217;ve got perpetual scars on my right arm by the elbow) and, I find, at least, back pain due to the unnatural body position absorbing the impact requires. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">6) Refinement. Once the concept of &#8220;laying out&#8221; has been integrated into one&#8217;s game, one seeks to improve the usefulness of the bid&#8211;laying out at head-height as opposed to foot-height, getting a full extension at full speed, improving timing, etc. This comes from experience&#8211;the bid-happy phase, while dangerous, also (hopefully) provides insight as to when it&#8217;s appropriate in a game to take the risk of a bid and when you can&#8217;t afford to give your man two unmarked seconds after a failed defensive bid&#8211;but also comes just from examining one&#8217;s game. I find visualization of in-game situations to be very beneficial here; picturing yourself in a number of different situations and getting the layout D in X situation, or thinking better and holstering in Y situation, it all becomes that much more instinctive in real life if you&#8217;ve thought it out beforehand.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">After that, I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m still refining my choosing of when to bid, as my layout D vs. layout attempts ratio is nowhere near where I want it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Not the clearest of how-tos, but hopefully you can glean some insight out of all this.</span></p>


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