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		<title>Sleep, Motor Learning and Consolidation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m a big stickler for sleep, for various reasons &#8211; general health and well-being being a big one. However, there are more tangible, concrete reasons to value your sleep, too &#8211; and the Harvard Business Review does a great job of touching on some of those needs. As an ultimate player, you should know that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big stickler for sleep, for various reasons &#8211; general health and well-being being a big one.</p>
<p>However, there are more tangible, concrete reasons to value your sleep, too &#8211; and the <a href="http://blogs.hbr.org/schwartz/2011/03/sleep-is-more-important-than-f.html">Harvard Business Review</a> does a great job of touching on some of those needs. </p>
<p>As an ultimate player, you should know that throwing is a dynamic motor skill &#8211; in much the same way that professional violinists need their sleep to continue to progress, we as athletes likewise need to give ourselves appropriate time to consolidate the motor learning we do by taking the time necessary to sleep.  (PS &#8211; It can help with <a href="http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_r-s/Sleep-more_important_than_diet_for_weight_loss.html">controlling your weight</a>, too).</p>
<p>Make 8 hours the minimum, not the ideal.  Consider napping.  Reap the benefits!</p>
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		<title>Forehand Throws and Foot Turns: Follow-Up on the IO Foot</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried to dig up a couple pictures of what I was talking about last week with the &#8220;IO Foot&#8221;; Keeghan Uhl&#8217;s gallery of Nationals provided a few useful pictures. Without further ado: This picture provides one angle on the IO foot. The throw isn&#8217;t explicitly IO&#8211;which is to say, this could just be a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to dig up a couple pictures of <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2009/11/forehand-throws-and-foot-turns.html">what I was talking about</a> last week with the &#8220;IO Foot&#8221;; <a href="http://www.keeganuhlphotography.com/ultimate/nationals09/">Keeghan Uhl&#8217;s gallery</a> of Nationals provided a few useful pictures.</p>
<p>Without further ado:</p>
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<p>This picture provides one angle on the IO foot. The throw isn&#8217;t explicitly IO&#8211;which is to say, this could just be a flat throw to the open side&#8211;but you&#8217;ll note that the foot position forces the knee to follow and wind up in a position which allows a fairly clean follow-through of the arm in front of the leg.<br />
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<p>This picture shows essentially the same position as the prior one, but from a slightly different angle.  You&#8217;ll note the release point, which is both low and well in front of the knee&#8211;again, this is not explicitly an IO throw (thought note the slight tilt), but I hope it&#8217;s fairly apparent that a throw from a similar position could penetrate a mark for a low-release break.</p>
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<p><span id="fullpost"><br />
This picture is a great example of how the IO foot can be applied in game (though the foot block is a perpetual menace for low releases). Check the distance the thrower is able to penetrate from where his pivot foot (and presumably weight) was.  Note the direction the foot points, relative to the throwing direction&#8211;pretty close to perpendicular*.  Any mark within a few feet is a candidate for the step-through, IO forehand break.</span><br />
<span id="fullpost"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">*I know I referenced &#8220;past perpendicular&#8221; in the prior post, and that may have been a bit hyperbolic&#8211;I get there sometimes, but it&#8217;s more instructive as a cue than a hard-and-fast rule.</span></span><br />
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I&#8217;d love to hear thoughts from people who get by with other stepping/throwing techniques.  I know there&#8217;s a decent-sized camp that points the foot upfield and releases outside of the knee rather than inside, and I&#8217;m curious as to how that plays for making IO breaks in particular.</span></p>


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		<title>Forehand Throws and Foot Turns</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was asked last week about foot placement on forehand hucks. I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about foot placement for a while now, and for something so seemingly simple there&#8217;s actually a decent amount of nuance to it, so this likely won&#8217;t be the only post on the topic. Some general points on stepping and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was asked last week about foot placement on forehand hucks.  I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about foot placement for a while now, and for something so seemingly simple there&#8217;s actually a decent amount of nuance to it, so this likely won&#8217;t be the only post on the topic.</p>
<p>Some general points on stepping and throwing a forehand:<br />
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<li>Definitely turn the hips when you step to throw.  When I step forward for a break, my toe always points &#8220;out,&#8221; (my heel us turned to point in to my midline; the foot as a whole comes to, if not past, perpendicular).  The hip turn allows you to step farther (it&#8217;s easier to step &#8220;forward&#8221; than it is to step out to the side); the foot turn further facilitates the hip turn, and gives a better angle for the arm on an IO/low release throw.</li>
<li>Incidentally, this foot turn is something me and a couple buddies refer to as &#8220;the IO foot.&#8221; Try it on your backhands too (turning the same way, so you heel is placed farther away and your toe points more upfield)!</li>
<li>My arm comes in front of my knee in all situations in which I&#8217;m throwing an IO break (particularly the low release), and in many low-release situations as well.  Very rarely do I get low by squatting or hunching; taking a full step tends to win out over a stationary squat for getting throws past the mark, in my experience.</li>
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<p><span id="fullpost">For hucking, I&#8217;m still working out some different techniques.<br />
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<li>You can huck from a stepping-forward position (using the momentum of your step in the throw).  I&#8217;ve found this to be effective to a point, but ultimately lacking in power (could be my body mechanics or a lack of strength, but throwing this way I struggle to put it past 40 yards in moderate conditions (ie not still, but not a heavy upwind/downwind).</li>
<li>Lately however I&#8217;ve been focusing more on <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-load-scapula.html">using my shoulder</a> to launch the disc with good success, from standing or stepping positions&#8211;and I&#8217;ve been finding stepping sideways (or at least, with less forward) gives me more range of motion at the shoulder before release and thus more power on the huck.  Grip&#8217;s the biggest concern for me there; depending on the day I can only put so much power behind it before my grip can&#8217;t keep up.  Takes some work for sure, but pending more game-use to test it I think it&#8217;s a lot more functional at getting a throw off quickly and powerfully.</li>
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<p><span id="fullpost"><br />
I&#8217;d like to get some video or other visual aid up here eventually; I&#8217;ll see about some photography (or browse some photo sites for examples) to aid this explanation.  The IO foot made a huge difference in my throwing, so practice and use it well!</span></p>


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		<title>Balance Revisited: Throwing With Your Weight Set</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple cue, significant results. Get your weight set on your throwing (non-pivot) foot before you throw. To put it a little differently, you should be balanced with your weight on your throwing foot during your release. I like to cue a balanced &#8220;finish&#8221; position (stepped-out, at full extension or what-have-you) on the follow-through, as it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple cue, significant results.</p>
<p>Get your weight set on your throwing (non-pivot) foot before you throw.</p>
<p>To put it a little differently, you should be balanced with your weight on your throwing foot during your release.  I like to cue a balanced &#8220;finish&#8221; position (stepped-out, at full extension or what-have-you) on the follow-through, as it encourages stability throughout the whole throwing motion.<br />
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You might counter with a &#8220;hey, I use my step to transfer power to my throw!&#8221;, and that can still apply; you&#8217;re still shifting weight away from your pivot foot and on to the throwing one.  Trouble in throwing consistency arises when a thrower shifts her weight too quickly and releases before she is set (or never reaches a set position at all).  At some point, that power of your step is transferred through your body to the disc (via a stable rotating torso and relaxed arm); when the legs&#8217; role in generating power is finished, they should be stable and balanced.</p>
<p>The best throwers make it look easy and fluid, quickly stepping or pivoting into a strong release.  The fluidity belies the stability and balance necessary.  Take your time and <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2009/06/reinforcing-good-habits.html">deliberately practice</a> getting your weight set (when tossing, or warming up) before you incorporate the quick shifts necessary for high-level success.</p>
<p>There are always exceptions; athleticism can trump fundamentals, but one of the two can be taught.</p>


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		<title>Do You Throw With Your Hip or Your Shoulder?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last weekend at Chesapeake a teammate remarked, when watching the Chain vs. Ironside game, about how the players were &#8220;throwing with their shoulders&#8221;&#8211;throwing with the hip means power is generated from below the plane of the throw, adding a natural float, while throwing from the shoulder keeps power in the same plane and allows for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last weekend at Chesapeake a teammate remarked, when watching the Chain vs. Ironside game, about how the players were &#8220;throwing with their shoulders&#8221;&#8211;throwing with the hip means power is generated from below the plane of the throw, adding a natural float, while throwing from the shoulder keeps power in the same plane and allows for flatter throws&#8211;your typical elite-level pass, in other words (touch has its place, but by and large throws are all about speed and precision).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a facet of throwing mechanics I hadn&#8217;t considered but instantly made a difference as I applied it.<span id="fullpost">  Throwing from the hip can generate more power but takes longer and is inclined to float; throwing from the shoulder leads to a faster release (no step required, though it can augment) and a bit more consistency in windy conditions.</p>
<p>I think your ideal thrower can generate enough power from torso/shoulder as to obviate the need for the hip on long throws. I need a bigger sample of observing high-level players and applying it myself before I can make that judgment authoritatively, though.</p>
<p>Try it out next time you&#8217;re tossing&#8211;throw with no step, just torso/shoulder motion.  Channel the same motion from your stepped-out pivot position, extend application to practice and game use.</span></p>


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		<title>Forehand Hucks Revisited: Shoulder Tilt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently received a question from a commenter on my old &#8220;Forehand Hucks&#8221; post asking about how to compensate for the natural OI that comes with the grip I epouse for flicks. The easiest (and best) way to control for this is with your shoulder tilt. It&#8217;s easy to think that some wrist tilt can [...]]]></description>
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<p>I recently received a question from a <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks.html?showComment=1250874362586#c6503264979873718770">commenter</a> on my old &#8220;<a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks.html">Forehand Hucks</a>&#8221; post asking about how to compensate for the natural OI that comes with the grip I epouse for flicks.</p>
<p>The easiest (and best) way to control for this is with your shoulder tilt.  It&#8217;s easy to think that some wrist tilt can compensate, but the plane of the throw, flat or otherwise, is decided by your shoulders.  A throw that naturally comes out OI becomes flat becomes IO if you adjust the plane along which it&#8217;s thrown.<br />
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IO throws mean lowering your throwing shoulder(right shoulder for a right-handed thrower); OI means raising it.</span></p>
<p>There is a bit more nuance to it than that (I&#8217;m thinking of follow-through, as IO throws tend to come closer to the body than OI flavors), but shoulder tilt is an easy and simple cue to help you debug your throws (when you&#8217;re doubtless <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/throwing-thought-develop-checklist.html">running through your checklist</a> while warming up).</p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>*Photo from <a href="http://photos.scobelwigginsphotography.com/v/ultimate_001/09ecc/09_ecc_sunday/09+ecc+sunday__dsc8471_72.jpg.html">Scobel Wiggins&#8217; ECC photos.</a></em></span></p>


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		<title>Use Pivot Planes For Better Breaking</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you think about your step when you&#8217;re throwing? Not just the mechanics of it (more on that in a later post), but WHERE you step to. Cara Crouch&#8217;s post for the Huddle&#8217;s Team USA issue alludes to &#8220;throw[ing] from a plane that is not parallel to [the mark's]&#8221; for better throwing, and I thought [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think about your step when you&#8217;re throwing?</p>
<p>Not just the mechanics of it (more on that in a later post), but WHERE you step to.</p>
<p>Cara Crouch&#8217;s <a href="http://www.the-huddle.org/issues/21/what-else-makes-a-good-handler/">post for the Huddle&#8217;s Team USA issue</a> alludes to &#8220;throw[ing] from a plane that is not parallel to [the mark's]&#8221; for better throwing, and I thought it was important enough to flesh out a bit more.</p>
<p>There are two extremes to your pivot planes; In practice, your pivot* will of course wind up somewhere between the two.  The planes are relative to your intended throwing direction, e.g. the dump, upfield:<br />
<span id="more-335"></span>
<ul><span id="fullpost"></p>
<li><strong>Horizontal</strong>&#8211;this is the default you see from novice to early-intermediate throwers.  Side-to-side motion; staying in this plane allows success in some situations, but marks tend to work primarily in this plane too, so it turns beating the mark into a pivot speed/reach contest.  Some can win this contest consistently.</li>
<li><strong>Vertical</strong>&#8211;this is where the magic happens when a thrower has the disc in her hands.  As I said above, marks are primarily horizontally concerned; if you catch a mark too close to you in the vertical plane, it generally becomes a simple feat to step forward, <em>through</em> the mark (or &#8220;past&#8221; it if you prefer), and make break throws to all sorts of places on the field.  Conversely, if a mark is too far off, you gain a wider range of options working in the horizontal plane (I&#8217;ve already discussed this a bit talking about <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2009/07/defensive-adjustments-mark-static.html">adjustments on the mark</a>).</li>
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<p><span id="fullpost"><br />
The best break throwers I&#8217;ve seen, if perhaps not reliant upon using the vertical plane to create breaks, are at least familiar and comfortable with it.  I think this evolved at first as a response to the hack-tastic mark; step through the mark, draw a foul, get a free chance to try the break!  But even without the foul factor**, it&#8217;s well worth mastering in its own right, a pivotal rung on the ladder climbing from novice to stud.</span></p>
<p><em>*Yes, yes, <a href="http://www.frisbeespew.com/2008/08/11/great-throwers-dont-pivot/" class="broken_link">great throwers don&#8217;t pivot</a>&#8211;when I say &#8220;pivot plane&#8221; I really mean &#8220;step to throw.&#8221; Only one of those alliterates nicely for a title.</em></p>
<p><em>**Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but the &#8220;nightclub&#8221; mark (goal: get in the thrower&#8217;s pants) seems to be on the wane.</em></p>


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		<title>Training the lunge for better throwing</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m not talking the standard step-forward, push back up type, I&#8217;m talking stepping at angles and especially stepping sideways. You&#8217;ll see a noticeable improvement in your pivoting speed, which will in turn allow you to develop more effective fakes and generally become more capable with the disc in your hands. Frank (of RSD fame) talks [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking the standard step-forward, push back up type, I&#8217;m talking stepping at angles and especially stepping sideways.  You&#8217;ll see a noticeable improvement in your pivoting speed, which will in turn allow you to develop more effective fakes and generally become more capable with the disc in your hands.  <br /><span id="fullpost"><br /><a href="http://ultitraining.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/a-moment-with-frank-huguenard/">Frank</a> (of RSD fame) talks about people being off-balance with their throwing positions because they step out too wide; if you can develop enough strength, these positions are far from off-balance (though you can still over-extend in the context of a given situation/against a given mark). Work to extend your absolute pivot range through better flexibility and strength (lunging can help with both&#8211;heavier weight obviously means more of a strength emphasis, but you can work on your mobility with adequate work in these positions too), and practice your pivots and fakes to extend your practical pivot range.</p>
<p>As for specific recommendations, simple standing side-to-side lunges, or 45 degree lunges (stepping across your center or away from it), are what I have in mind here.</p>
<p>Weight/rep ranges really don&#8217;t need to be that intense&#8211;pivoting is plyometric in nature, so relatively light loading (if you&#8217;re in 12-20 rep range you&#8217;ll probably still see an effect) should still be enough to stimulate a positive adaptation, especially if you&#8217;ve never trained it before.  You probably don&#8217;t need to get much heavier than 8 or 6 reps, especially if it&#8217;s light enough that you can really explode up out of each lunge.</p>
<p>Other lunge variations include standing lunges (stepping both forwards and backwards), <a href="http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_WalkingLunges.mov">walking lunges</a>, and (a personal <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2006/12/my-favorite-exercises.html">favorite</a>) <a href="http://www.fullfitness.net/routines/bulgarian_split_squat.html">bulgarian squats</a>.  These, however, are all in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittal">sagittal plane</a>, and won&#8217;t carry over to action in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_plane">frontal plane</a> (pivoting).</p>
<p>The lunge position itself is pretty important to throwing well and consistently&#8211;more on that in a later post, but regardless you can only stand to improve as a player if you improve in your lunging.</span></p>
<p>UPDATE: Some good addendums with other exercise can be had <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2009/04/training-lunge-for-better-throwing.html#comments">in the comments</a>&#8211;definitely worth a look.</p>


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		<title>Absolute and Practical Pivot Ranges</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a pretty simple concept, but applied properly can make a big difference in your efficiency and effectiveness on an ultimate field. In ultimate, as with many things, knowing your limits allows you to excel while remaining within yourself.Your absolute pivot range is how far you can get out to throw. Period. How far [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a pretty simple concept, but applied properly can make a big difference in your efficiency and effectiveness on an ultimate field.  In ultimate, as with many things, knowing your limits allows you to excel while remaining within yourself.<br /><span id="fullpost"><br />Your <span style="font-weight: bold;">absolute pivot range</span> is how far you can get out to throw. Period.  How far does your lunge take you?  How much farther does your reach and body torque get you on top of that?  Can you throw from that far out?  Can you throw <span style="font-style: italic;">well</span> from that far out?  You have to be able to throw from this distance (or, phrased differently, know what you can throw at this distance), because the only reason you should extend yourself this far is to throw.</p>
<p>Your <span style="font-weight: bold;">practical pivot range</span> is how far you can get out while still being able to quickly move back (which is to say, how far you can get WITHOUT overextending, or your effective faking range).  This is a range you&#8217;ll wind up doing a lot of your motion on an ultimate field in&#8211;realistically, a lot of situations won&#8217;t require you to get out to your absolute range to throw successfully.  Think open-side passes, or even a quick swing (fake) when you catch the dump ahead of your defender.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, it&#8217;s good to keep the fact that you can extend further hidden until you have an opportunity to exploit it (for instance, if you have a killer full-extension inside-out pass, there&#8217;s no need to show it until you can make that killer IO for a goal or to start some flow, etc.).  Even once you&#8217;ve shown it, you shouldn&#8217;t need to fake all the way out to that range to get a mark to bite, assuming you have <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/07/throwing-thought-throw-convincing.html">convincing, effective fakes</a>.</p>
<p>Pivot/extension range is worth paying attention to in any circumstance&#8211;just tossing around, drills, even in scrimmage.  Developing a sense of not only what you can do, but what you <b>need</b> to do within that range to suit your goals </span><span id="fullpost">(get a throw off, or make a mark bite)</span><span id="fullpost">, can and will make you a better player.</span></p>


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		<title>Throwing Thought: Balance for Short and Long Throws</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve written about the importance of balance before, but it&#8217;s a very broad concept, its applications diverse, and bears revisiting. In the context of throwing, balance comes in to play a few ways&#8211;generally speaking, you want to keep your torso balanced by using your core. A good example of this is throwing with your non-pivot [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written about the importance of <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-balance.html">balance</a> before, but it&#8217;s a very broad concept, its applications diverse, and bears revisiting.</p>
<p>In the context of throwing, balance comes in to play a few ways&#8211;generally speaking, you want to keep your torso balanced by using your core.  A good example of this is throwing with your non-pivot foot picked up off the ground.  Can you still throw a forehand and backhand on target?  How dependent are you on your legs for not just power, but the general trajectory of your throw?  Can you balance without your legs?  Work this from standing at first, and then mid-pivot&#8211;don&#8217;t wait for your foot to set down, but throw midway.</p>
<p>You should be able to make passes at 10 yards with touch, without using your legs.  This is a pretty essential skill to grasp, as throwing without your legs leads to throwing with touch from any position your body is in. It will vastly improve your dumping efficiency (and <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/resets-or-most-important-thing-in.html">resets are the most important thing in ultimate</a>).</p>
<p>Balance comes in to play <span style="font-style:italic;">from</span> your legs, too.  One of the best nuggets of wisdom I received when working on my hucking (I was trying too hard, muscling up, and hooking my attempts to throw 60+ yards outside-in instead of the nice float I was looking for): &#8220;try to hold your body position at the end of your throwing motion.&#8221;  I was stepping out to huck, but continuously moving through the whole step and throw&#8211;by forcing myself to wait at the end, to find balance in that final, extended position, my throws improved immediately.  </p>
<p>Part of it was still that core balance to gain touch, but a lot of it was finding a balance point through my legs&#8211;a lunge position I could hold (incidentally, lunging is an underrated component of ultimate training&#8211;more on that later).</p>
<p>Find your balance points to master your throwing.</span></p>


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		<title>Handler? Know Thyself.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I asked you the question,</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you look for in a good handler?&#8221;</p>
<p>Your list would probably look something like this:
<ul>
<li>good throws</li>
<p>
<li>good hands (catching)</li>
<p>
<li>quick</li>
<p>
<li>good hucks</li>
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<li>breaks</li>
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<li>good decisions (doesn&#8217;t turn the disc over)</li>
</ul>
<p>I&#8217;ll offer that, while there is some requisite level of competence required in some of these areas (I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;good hands&#8221;) to be a handler, you can actually do a LOT without anything close to a complete skillset.<span id='fullpost'></p>
<p>The most important thing for any handler (or really any player with the disc in his hands) to know is:
<ul>
<li>his/her own limitations</li>
</ul>
<p>That&#8217;s all.  Can&#8217;t huck it?  Maybe learn the fake, but don&#8217;t sweat it.  Always turfing your IO?  Shelf it.  Always throwing the disc away?  Maybe you need better teammates to catch your visionary throws.  (I&#8217;m kidding).  Not quick enough to shake &#8216;n bake your man in two steps?  Master the fine art of positioning and timing, instead of dancing in the lane.</p>
<p>Right there with knowing what you can&#8217;t do is knowing what you CAN.  Maybe you don&#8217;t have a money flick bomb, endzone-to-endzone, but when you get the disc on an upline cut you can put it to Fred where he&#8217;ll rip it down 80% of the time.  Maybe your IO sucks, but if your mark is overplaying it you can make a beautiful leading around pass.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Play to your strengths!!!</span>  Maybe your team asks you to do more than you&#8217;re capable of or comfortable with right now.  Instead of simply trying (and failing) to live up to those expectations, think about how the things you WANT to do and CAN do can jive with those same goals.  If you&#8217;re a handler without game-changing throws, but you can move quickly and get open, instead of trying to make that short IO break pass the coach keeps preaching you can instead focus on dishing the disc to the first open man you see as soon as you get the disc and get back to where you&#8217;re the most dangerous&#8211;moving.  If you&#8217;ve got big hucks and little else (including good judgment on when to throw and when to hold), consider talking to your cutters and establishing some preferred receivers you can be comfortable throwing to (and make sure the rest know not to make that cut for you, so you&#8217;re maximizing completions).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve had experiences where you&#8217;ve run up against guys and thought, &#8220;I/we are so much better than them, can do so much more,&#8221; and then get your ass whooped.  You can do a lot with a little if you know how to use it.  Before you get caught up in all the stratagems, running a ho-stack or a clam because everyone runs one, try running it from the other side&#8211;what can you do well?  In what setups, or simply &#8220;how,&#8221; can you best utilize this skill or ability?  (Or instead of the positive definition you can look at the negative definition&#8211;given your limitations, how can you most avoid overextending yourself?)</p>
<p>Nobody has it all.  You can be a great, well-rounded ultimate player, but there are bound to be areas where you feel less confident.  Sometimes you&#8217;ll bump up against those limitations&#8211;but it doesn&#8217;t have to be by design!  The best offenses are structured to play to their strengths, to feature their talents.  Certainly, progressing in your skills and abilities is something to work towards, but when it counts,</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu">Know yourself</a>.<br /></span></p>


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		<title>Stop Thinking</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consistency. You hear about it plenty with regards to ultimate, usually something like &#8220;if you can consistently complete a forehand/backhand to an open cutter, throwing ability will not keep you from playing elite-level ultimate.&#8221; How do you get it? You know where I&#8217;m going because you&#8217;ve already read the title. This is something I&#8217;ve mentioned [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consistency.</p>
<p>You hear about it plenty with regards to ultimate, usually something like &#8220;if you can consistently complete a forehand/backhand to an open cutter, throwing ability will not keep you from playing elite-level ultimate.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you get it?  You know where I&#8217;m going because you&#8217;ve already read the title.</p>
<p>This is something I&#8217;ve mentioned offhandedly before&#8211;honing your skills to a point where they become unconscious&#8211;but this cannot be restated enough.  It&#8217;s only when you get to a point where you don&#8217;t have to think about what you&#8217;re doing that you can really thrive.  When throwing a forehand is as natural to you as walking (ok, perhaps nothing is quite THAT natural, but you get the idea*), you&#8217;re in a good place.  How often do you stumble when you walk?<span id="fullpost"></p>
<p>You really need to develop a mental state for performance.  Part of that is avoiding distraction, and &#8220;distraction&#8221; includes what you do with your body.  If you HAVE to think about your throwing technique while you&#8217;re doing it, can you really expect it to hold up under game-time pressure?  If you need to think about your footwork mid-cut, are you really going as fast as you possibly could?</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Levels of Competence</span></p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://rdeheras.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/bruce-lee-jkd.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 402px; height: 300px;" src="http://rdeheras.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/bruce-lee-jkd.jpg" alt="An exemplar of athleticism" border="0" /></a><span id="fullpost">I believe it was in a book about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_lee">Bruce Lee</a> (if I had anyone who I&#8217;d say was a personal role model for me, he&#8217;d be the one) that I read the following about skills progression&#8211;specifically for martial arts, but the parallels with any physical activity are evident:</p>
<ul>
<li>As a <span style="font-weight: bold;">beginner</span>, your instincts are bad, unwieldy, inefficient at best.</li>
<li>As an <span style="font-weight: bold;">intermediate</span>, your instincts are still bad, but you know what&#8217;s proper and can correct.  (There are multiple intermediate stages, with &#8220;knowing you&#8217;re wrong&#8221; and &#8220;knowing what&#8217;s proper&#8221; and &#8220;being able to correct&#8221; each their own, discrete stage).</li>
<li>At an <span style="font-weight: bold;">advanced</span> level, you again return to your instinct, but the old, inefficient ones have been replaced with the precise and the honed**.</li>
</ul>
<p>It was due to this belief that Lee&#8217;s original school of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeet_kune_do">Jeet Kune Do</a>&#8216;s first and final ranks were both symbolized by an empty circle (your intermediate ranks were a progression of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin-yang">yin-yang</a>).</p>
<p>Many people reach a high level of intermediate proficiency&#8211;able to consciously will themselves to perfection of a sort&#8211;and get complacent, missing the pinnacle: true unconscious competence.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where you want to get.  Every time you step on the field, you want to operate unconsciously.  You don&#8217;t want to have to think about your footwork.  You don&#8217;t want to have to think about your grip.  Your thoughts and energies should be focused purely on recognizing your situations and responding appropriately&#8211;no logistics of how to get there, merely intended destinations.  Many a D set has been thrown that succeeds simply by taking players out of their unconscious selves and forcing them to think.  Don&#8217;t help out your opponent by doing it to yourself unprompted!</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Developing Unconscious Competence</span></p>
<p>How do you develop this kind of unconscious competence?  Well, it ain&#8217;t easy, but there is some transferal between tasks (usually you regard it as &#8220;talent&#8221; or something similar when a player seems &#8220;naturally good;&#8221; natural is a good word indeed, for these individuals are almost always allowing their body to take over, getting out of their own way&#8211;and I can guarantee you they went through the process of learning to let go at some point.  Whether they realize it or not).  Again, I&#8217;ll mention driving (esp. stick) as a nice example of an opportunity to learn to let go.  I&#8217;m currently learning how to play guitar&#8211;instruments are another great analog.</p>
<p>Relevant reading: SciAm Mind&#8217;s*** latest on <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-avoid-choking-under-pressure">How to Avoid Choking Under Pressure</a>, <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-avoid-choking-under-pressure&amp;page=2">page 2</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Let’s say you’re trying to play the piano. If you were relying on your motor memory”—just letting it fly—“your motor command would automatically read out the next note in about 50 milliseconds.” But consciously monitoring your performance brings this superfast sequence of motor commands to a screeching halt, resulting in a choking incident of epic proportions. “The feedback from the first note takes 100 milliseconds just to move from your cochlea up to your brain. So if you’re saying to yourself, ‘Okay, I just finished the C, now I have to go on to the D,’ you’re going to have problems.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This sums it up perfectly.  In order to become a good musician, athlete, public speaker, you have to learn to let go, to let your body simply DO.  You have to hone your body&#8217;s skills to a point where you can let go with confidence.</p>
<p>If you can develop a regimen or strategy to learning this skill, you can continue to apply it elsewhere, too.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Deliberate Practice</span></p>
<p>The foundational building block of all unconscious competence is <a href="http://70by40.blogspot.com/2009/01/learning-to-play.html#c5925032732440544101">deliberate practice</a>.  I don&#8217;t mean deliberate, as in, you have the intent to practice, but rather in the sense that you do everything you do with purpose.  You should always be working towards a goal, honing a skill, refining, testing, repeating.  <span style="font-weight: bold;">repeating</span>.  You sure as hell can&#8217;t expect to make all your passes in a game if you can&#8217;t do it when you&#8217;re simply out tossing, right?</p>
<p>The deliberateness comes into play when you&#8217;re not content to just toss, but instead choose to toss with preconditions&#8211;you only throw from a full-extension pivot, you only throw after a fake, etc.  And then, being deliberate at <span style="font-style: italic;">those</span> things is another layer on top of that&#8211;is your full-extension as far as you can make it?  Can you get to that point and also keep your balance, throw <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/07/throwing-thought-throw-convincing.html">convincing, effective fakes</a>, not pull a hamstring?  When you throw fakes, are you working mechanically on the fake itself, or are you moving beyond that, <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/search/label/visualization">visualizing</a> a game situation and a covered defender (poor conditions, an aggresive mark) causing you to make that fake? Seeing the ensuing change in conditions that enable the one you do throw?</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Visualization</span> is the bridge between deliberate practice and effortless performance.  You work on your throws deliberately, get the hang of throwing a forehand with touch&#8230;then, you stop thinking about how you&#8217;re throwing and instead start thinking about where you&#8217;re throwing.  You picture a cutter.  Does the throw still go where you want it, how you want it?  What if you picture a mark up against you, defender tight your receiver&#8217;s hip?  Can you <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/throwing-thought-disc-placement-on-in.html">place</a> a pass where it won&#8217;t be D&#8217;d?  If yes&#8230;can you do it again?  And again?  And again?  Get to that point, and you might be ready for primetime.</p>
<p>Developing the <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2007/02/ucpc-review-part-3-keynote-speech-dr.html">mindset for mental toughness</a> and <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2007/03/ucpc-review-part-4-applying-mental.html">applying it</a> in-game is another component of being successful, particularly when the going gets tough, but you can go a long ways towards getting there if you can learn to simply<br /></span><br /><span id="fullpost"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br />Stop.</span></span><br /><span id="fullpost"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></p>
<p>Thinking.<br /></span></span><br /><span id="fullpost"></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long race when you&#8217;re chasing <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_on_flow.html">flow</a>****.  As they say in Japan, <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganbatte">ganbatte</a>.</p>
<hr />*to be completely honest, your best comparisons for throwing a frisbee would be with other activities which involve a high degree of coordinated movement of the arms combined with stabilization through the core and a significant transfer of power from the lower limbs, as well as involving a dynamic component to projecting an implement&#8211;which make things like basketball shooting, baseball pitching/throwing, tennis ball hitting, or football throwing your truer comparisons. (Adding in the extra factor of a rotational component trims the list farther).  Looking for some cross-disciplinary reading to do for ultimate?  Look in that direction.  Looking for some off season cross-training?  You could do a lot worse than the same (I especially recommend a sport like squash, which incorporates a lot of the same sorts of lunging and one-handed motion that throwing does).</p>
<p>**this is otherwise known as the point in which you become a killing machine.  Lee worried about some joker challenging him on the street (or one of the stunt men during a film shoot), because his instincts were honed such that in a real fight he might not be able to stop himself from, at the very least, seriously injuring his opponent.</p>
<p>***as I exclaimed to a friend on first discovery: &#8220;it&#8217;s like somebody made a magazine just for me!&#8221;  I eat this stuff up.  Highly recommended for anyone who cares to understand humanity better.</p>
<p>****fast forward to the last 5-8 minutes for the good stuff.</span></p>


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<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/07/catching-thought-focus-on-the-spin.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Catching Thought: Focus on the spin'>Catching Thought: Focus on the spin</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2005/10/doing-rather-than-thinking.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Doing rather than thinking'>Doing rather than thinking</a></li>
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		<title>Throwing Thought: The Torso</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Use it before, during, and after you throw. Build an awareness of it. Torso includes, but is not limited to: your core and your shoulder. Optional: include the hips. That is all. Related posts:Throwing Thought: Forehand Hucks (Response to Issue #10: &#34;Throwing for Distance&#34;) Throwing Thought: Load the scapula! Throwing Thought: The Hammer, or, Throwing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font Face=Georgia>Use it before, during, and after you throw.  Build an awareness of it.</p>
<p>Torso includes, but is not limited to: your core and your shoulder.  Optional: include the hips.</p>
<p>That is all.<br /></font></p>


<p><strong>Related posts:<strong></p><ol><li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Throwing Thought: Forehand Hucks (Response to Issue #10: &quot;Throwing for Distance&quot;)'>Throwing Thought: Forehand Hucks (Response to Issue #10: &quot;Throwing for Distance&quot;)</a></li>
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		<title>A Brief Overview: Cutting &amp; Throwing</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(D, Ca, St &#38; etc) (Fitness) As winter break swiftly approaches for those of us who work at schools, I thought I&#8217;d go back over some of my older posts&#8211;I have a feeling that with the influx of new readers this blog has seen over the past couple months, it&#8217;s likely that some of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font Face=Georgia>(<a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/12/brief-overview-catching-defense.html">D, Ca, St &amp; etc</a>) (<a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/12/brief-overview-fitness.html">Fitness</a>)</p>
<p>As winter break swiftly approaches for those of us who work at schools, I thought I&#8217;d go back over some of my older posts&#8211;I have a feeling that with the influx of new readers this blog has seen over the past couple months, it&#8217;s likely that some of the stuff I started posting in the summer, when I changed from simply recapping my ultimate experience to (attempting to) share how I&#8217;ve learned to play, has been overlooked.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the best way to work around this and make the blog more archive-accessible is (I&#8217;ll likely continue experimenting with format), as my general goal is to make this site a resource as well as a blog (I&#8217;d welcome any ideas to that end&#8211;blogspot&#8217;s whole scrolling-through-pages isn&#8217;t terribly efficient, nor is the archive).</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll try and link up some of the posts I think are most useful/relevant, sorted by category.  Let me know if you find this helpful.  And, feel free to comment with anything you think I&#8217;ve overlooked. <span id="fullpost"> </p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Throwing</span>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2007/12/being-quick-on-catch-throw-turnaround.html">Being Quick on the Catch-Throw Turnaround</a>.  Not sure, but this might have been the first post about ultimate that wasn&#8217;t strictly focused on myself.</li>
<p>
<li>On <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-balance.html">Balance</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-grip.html">Grip, part 1</a> (Part 2, the video (much more helpful) <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-grip-part-2-video.html">here</a>)</li>
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<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-arm-action.html">Arm Action</a> (also a video)</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/07/throwing-thought-throw-convincing.html">Throw Convincing, Effective Fakes</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/throwing-thought-disc-placement-on-in.html">Disc Placement</a> (not just throwing to space, but throwing to space with purpose)</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-hammer-or-throwing-to.html">On Hammers and Throwing to Space</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks.html">Forehand Hucks</a> (see also <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-load-scapula.html">Scapular Loading</a>, aka the shoulder jerk)</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/throwing-thought-windup.html">The Windup</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/throwing-thought-develop-checklist.html">A Throwing Checklist for Warmups</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/throwing-thought-fake-with-upward.html">More on Faking</a> (this also reads a little unclearly; I&#8217;ll revisit at some point when I can phrase it better)</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/throwing-thought-throw-off-handed.html">Throw Off-Handed</a>; you&#8217;ll appreciate your on-handed ones more and have a better perspective to teach from.</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/want-to-throw-more-effectively-use.html">It&#8217;s the little things in day-to-day life.</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/12/throwing-with-touch.html">Throwing with Touch?</a></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cutting</span>
<ul>
<li>Around this time last year I made a post about the notion of &#8220;<a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2007/11/cutting-threat-points.html">Threat Points</a>&#8221; when cutting&#8211;this is, more or less, another way to try to phrase what becomes an intuitive sense of how to see and attack space as a cutter.  I think the post perhaps comes off a bit esoteric, but maybe it&#8217;ll help provide a framework for better explanation.</li>
<p>
<li>In my opinion, one of my most useful posts is the one I wrote this past spring about <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-to-do-when-youre-bored-in-class-or.html">cutting schematics</a>.  As a deprived B-teamer, and later as a budding A-teamer, (and a lazy student) I often spent time in lecture drawing up various situations and playing them out mentally and on paper, from the O and the D perspective.</li>
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<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/cutting-thought-create-space.html">Create Space</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/cutting-thought-juke.html">The Juke</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/cutting-thought-its-stoppin.html">It&#8217;s Stoppin&#8217;</a>(sadly, the UV link I referred to is now broken)</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/07/cutting-thought-mind-for-adjustments.html">Making Adjustments (secondary cuts)</a></li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/08/cutting-thought-use-your-opponents.html">Use Your Opponent&#8217;s Acceleration</a></li>
<p>
<li>More on <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/09/field-sense.html">field sense</a>.</li>
<p>
<li>Being a <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/09/cutting-thought-on-being-primary-cut.html">a primary cutter vs. a fill cutter</a> (keep your man busy)</li>
<p>
<li><a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/10/cutting-thought-be-ambi-turner.html">Expanding your repetoire</a></li>
<p>
<li>On <a href="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/12/heels-roles-and-basics-reaction-to.html">endzone cutting</a></li>
</ul>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave it at that for now; I&#8217;ll round it out over the next week with an overview of the rest of the ultimate skills/strategy stuff and the copious postings related to fitness.</span></font></p>


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<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/cutting-thought-on-being-the-primary-cut-and-not-cutting.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Cutting Thought: On Being the Primary Cut, and Not Cutting'>Cutting Thought: On Being the Primary Cut, and Not Cutting</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2007/06/throwing-thoughts.html' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Throwing Thoughts'>Throwing Thoughts</a></li>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little busy at work (need to prep a class on Christmas) and a little starved for inspiration of late&#8230;but check out this RSD thread on throwing with touch I posted in a couple weeks back. My opinion is already there, but there appears to be some dissention. What&#8217;s yours? How did you learn about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font Face=Georgia>A little busy at work (need to prep a class on Christmas) and a little starved for inspiration of late&#8230;but check out <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_thread/thread/211220f546346a82/ddf18d6e73153263">this RSD thread on throwing with touch</a> I posted in a couple weeks back.</p>
<p>My opinion is <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_thread/thread/211220f546346a82/ddf18d6e73153263#ddf18d6e73153263">already there</a>, but there appears to be some dissention.  What&#8217;s yours?  How did you learn about throwing with touch?  How have you taught (or would teach) others?</p>
<p>I usually tell rookie throwers to think about throwing to a point on the field, rather than passing on a line that includes said point (ie, throwing to space), and that at least goes towards taking the laser out.  Please chime in with your own experiences.</font></p>


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