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	<title>Comments on: Free Play as a Means to Success</title>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2009/06/free-play-as-a-means-to-success.html/comment-page-1#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d forgotten about hotbox, thanks anon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Re: O vs D benefit, I think you&#039;re missing the forest for the trees.  I find the best thing about these games is their inherent flexibility--you&#039;re constantly assessing risks and changing coverage (maybe less so in hotbox) to play successful D.  This has obvious carryover to team defense--zones benefit a lot from a player who doesn&#039;t see just &quot;his&quot; man or the disc, but looks beyond that.  Similarly in man D, opportunities to poach or help on D are plentiful, but you need players who are prepared to be flexible and take some risks to pull it off consistently and effectively.  You can take lots of risks in free play, baiting, experimenting, and improve the risk:reward ratio for in-game.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the &quot;rules&quot; of defense are exactly NOT what free play reinforces, and that&#039;s a good thing.  We can teach things like positioning fine in practice.  Free play helps you to develop a sense, say, of at what point a thrower is DEFINITELY going to throw to where they&#039;re looking, or what kind of spatial margins are defensible and what ones are not.  I tend to think a lot in terms of space, on O and D, and I think boot (note: we play the &quot;SF variation&quot; at Dartmouth) in particular did a lot to develop that sense.  I&#039;d argue that those habits you develop in hotbox or otherwise don&#039;t supplant but rather supplement the ones you learn on an ultimate field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d forgotten about hotbox, thanks anon.</p>
<p>Re: O vs D benefit, I think you&#39;re missing the forest for the trees.  I find the best thing about these games is their inherent flexibility&#8211;you&#39;re constantly assessing risks and changing coverage (maybe less so in hotbox) to play successful D.  This has obvious carryover to team defense&#8211;zones benefit a lot from a player who doesn&#39;t see just &quot;his&quot; man or the disc, but looks beyond that.  Similarly in man D, opportunities to poach or help on D are plentiful, but you need players who are prepared to be flexible and take some risks to pull it off consistently and effectively.  You can take lots of risks in free play, baiting, experimenting, and improve the risk:reward ratio for in-game.</p>
<p>I think the &quot;rules&quot; of defense are exactly NOT what free play reinforces, and that&#39;s a good thing.  We can teach things like positioning fine in practice.  Free play helps you to develop a sense, say, of at what point a thrower is DEFINITELY going to throw to where they&#39;re looking, or what kind of spatial margins are defensible and what ones are not.  I tend to think a lot in terms of space, on O and D, and I think boot (note: we play the &quot;SF variation&quot; at Dartmouth) in particular did a lot to develop that sense.  I&#39;d argue that those habits you develop in hotbox or otherwise don&#39;t supplant but rather supplement the ones you learn on an ultimate field.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2009/06/free-play-as-a-means-to-success.html/comment-page-1#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*admittedly, not immediately.</description>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2009/06/free-play-as-a-means-to-success.html/comment-page-1#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if, specifically to ultimate, there is a difference between how much you can improve your offense versus your defense via unstructured play. I&#039;d bet that both can benefit, but I tend to think that (at least at the level I&#039;ve played, which is immediately not extremely high) the best defenders are those that do have some intuition about where their opponent wants to go but mainly focus on particular &#039;rules&#039; of positioning, forcing, etc. I&#039;ve always hated playing defense in boot or hotbox or any other disc sport where you&#039;re not attacking an endzone because I felt like it was teaching me bad habits, a feeling I never got as strongly on the offensive side of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if, specifically to ultimate, there is a difference between how much you can improve your offense versus your defense via unstructured play. I&#39;d bet that both can benefit, but I tend to think that (at least at the level I&#39;ve played, which is immediately not extremely high) the best defenders are those that do have some intuition about where their opponent wants to go but mainly focus on particular &#39;rules&#39; of positioning, forcing, etc. I&#39;ve always hated playing defense in boot or hotbox or any other disc sport where you&#39;re not attacking an endzone because I felt like it was teaching me bad habits, a feeling I never got as strongly on the offensive side of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found games of hotbox and 10 passes help.</description>
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