Comments on: Throwing Thought: Forehand Hucks (Response to Issue #10: "Throwing for Distance") http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html Ultimate Ramblings Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:17:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Mackey http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-588 Mackey Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:02:51 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-588 Anon,<br /><br />Like the analogy. Thanks! Anon,

Like the analogy. Thanks!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-583 Anonymous Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:09:34 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-583 Imagine yourself as a cloth thats just been rung out. Now, imagine it twisting back to normal.<br />Now imagine it perpendicular to the ground. <br />If the cloth is YOU it should only be your core. <br />Youir arm NEVER swings in fact the disc should be relatively close to your ribs as you lead with your elbow and continue the motion with your elbow. Imagine a earth movers arm. A big one. Once I started visualising my core as a cloth my backhands hucks and pulls have been long and accurate to the extent where I take my teams hucks, no questions asked! <br />My only problem was finding a consistent way to release(and not just a point of release) but that was a few weeks of trial and error much like everything you do in Ultimate.<br /><br /><br /><br />Remember the cloth. Imagine yourself as a cloth thats just been rung out. Now, imagine it twisting back to normal.
Now imagine it perpendicular to the ground.
If the cloth is YOU it should only be your core.
Youir arm NEVER swings in fact the disc should be relatively close to your ribs as you lead with your elbow and continue the motion with your elbow. Imagine a earth movers arm. A big one. Once I started visualising my core as a cloth my backhands hucks and pulls have been long and accurate to the extent where I take my teams hucks, no questions asked!
My only problem was finding a consistent way to release(and not just a point of release) but that was a few weeks of trial and error much like everything you do in Ultimate.

Remember the cloth.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-551 Anonymous Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:54:47 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-551 Nice.<br /><br />I definitely notice that less inexperienced throwers use a bit too much tension in their wrists, rather than relaxing the wrist muscles and getting power transferred through the wrist tendon/ligament complexes.<br /><br />~LeslieW Nice.

I definitely notice that less inexperienced throwers use a bit too much tension in their wrists, rather than relaxing the wrist muscles and getting power transferred through the wrist tendon/ligament complexes.

~LeslieW

]]> By: Mackey http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-549 Mackey Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:04:11 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-549 Ninjax,<br /><br />I've been meaning to post on this for a while. The short answer is to compensate for your arm's natural tendency to not be flat from the shoulder--tilting your torso so that throwing motion that previously put the elbow below the hand (and the forearm on an OI plane) becomes flat or even IO.<br /><br />Perhaps more details on that'll be a post for this week... Ninjax,

I've been meaning to post on this for a while. The short answer is to compensate for your arm's natural tendency to not be flat from the shoulder–tilting your torso so that throwing motion that previously put the elbow below the hand (and the forearm on an OI plane) becomes flat or even IO.

Perhaps more details on that'll be a post for this week…

]]> By: Ninjax http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-547 Ninjax Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:06:02 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-547 I stumbled across this post via your youtube video where you demonstrate your forehand grip. My grip is fairly similar to yours with the main difference being that I don't really press down that hard with my thumb. I tried your grip out a bit yesterday, and, like you said, it does keep the disc more parallel to the forearm. However, when I try to actually throw the disc, I find myself 'forced' to release the disc with an outside-in angle and the disc just dives to the ground. With my normal grip, I don't quite have the disc parallel to my forearm which allows me release it flatter. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help and your time. I stumbled across this post via your youtube video where you demonstrate your forehand grip. My grip is fairly similar to yours with the main difference being that I don't really press down that hard with my thumb. I tried your grip out a bit yesterday, and, like you said, it does keep the disc more parallel to the forearm. However, when I try to actually throw the disc, I find myself 'forced' to release the disc with an outside-in angle and the disc just dives to the ground. With my normal grip, I don't quite have the disc parallel to my forearm which allows me release it flatter. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help and your time.

]]> By: Mackey http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-192 Mackey Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:00:00 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-192 Yeah, that's a good point. I would interpret it the same that you did, or perhaps Miranda means to reach as far out as she can while still throwing effectively. <a HREF="http://mmackey.blogspot.com/2008/06/throwing-thought-arm-action.html" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">I think the same as you do</a>, but I think with practice you can learn to throw with mostly an arcing action (ie, full or near-full extension) while getting the disc to move in a straight line <i>just</i> before release. Not that I think it's the most effective way, but it works for some. Yeah, that’s a good point. I would interpret it the same that you did, or perhaps Miranda means to reach as far out as she can while still throwing effectively. I think the same as you do, but I think with practice you can learn to throw with mostly an arcing action (ie, full or near-full extension) while getting the disc to move in a straight line just before release. Not that I think it’s the most effective way, but it works for some.

]]> By: Jackson http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html/comment-page-1#comment-191 Jackson Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:12:00 +0000 http://www.ultimatethoughts.com/2008/09/throwing-thought-forehand-hucks-response-to-issue-10-throwing-for-distance.html#comment-191 Good stuff in this post. However I am confused by something that Gwen said in the quote. She says that on a backhand she reaches out as far as she can to generate the most force. But as I see it, reaching out as far as you can necessitates that you are throwing with an arc motion, instead of in a straight line. If your arm is fully extended to the side, then as you move the disc forward, it will move towards you laterally, creating an arcing motion. Was she implying that she reaches the disc as far back as possible (rather than out to the side)?<br/><br/>I prefer to move the disc in a straight-line path prior to release (sort of like pulling the cord on a lawnmower). This means that the disc is not as far (laterally) from the body as possible; but I think it's better to achieve separation from the marker by stepping out, rather than holding the disc farther, or ideally by running a handler motion that gives you unmarked throws. Good stuff in this post. However I am confused by something that Gwen said in the quote. She says that on a backhand she reaches out as far as she can to generate the most force. But as I see it, reaching out as far as you can necessitates that you are throwing with an arc motion, instead of in a straight line. If your arm is fully extended to the side, then as you move the disc forward, it will move towards you laterally, creating an arcing motion. Was she implying that she reaches the disc as far back as possible (rather than out to the side)?

I prefer to move the disc in a straight-line path prior to release (sort of like pulling the cord on a lawnmower). This means that the disc is not as far (laterally) from the body as possible; but I think it’s better to achieve separation from the marker by stepping out, rather than holding the disc farther, or ideally by running a handler motion that gives you unmarked throws.

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