On defense
So I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. As a defensive player this year, I spent a ton of time on the other side of the disc, trying to deny my quarry all that he desired.
Mostly I’ve been thinking about what makes for good defense. As an individual player, what can I do, how can I play to best ensure the D line generates a turn?
The answer I came up with? Well, it depends.
The way I see it, there are two primary ways to play defense: smart defense and emotional defense. I’ll qualify this first by saying the two are not mutally exclusive, and second by saying that this is a very general classification.
Smart defense means, more often than not, playing to contain. A smart defender anticipates what his mark wants and makes it difficult, if not taking it away entirely. A smart defender realizes the various situations he is in–is my man a viable threat to go deep given current position/situation? am I sure laying out for a 50% chance of a D is worth giving up the force for 2 seconds if I miss, or is it more practical to set a hard mark right away and prevent flow?–and responds accordingly, limiting the threat of his man. Ideally, a smart defender all but neutralizes the impact of the player he’s guarding on the field.
Emotional defense means busting ass and trying to make every play. An emotional defender always lays out for those close discs on in cuts, throws an aggressive mark, trying to force a turn. An emotional defender’s primary objective is to generate turns–whether this is through baiting opportunities, or just through running hard and laying it all out.
I’ve come to realize I’m much more of a smart defender than an emotional defender. I think, for much of the season, I’d been really lacking in good, emotional defense, conceding too much in one way or another in an effort to dictate and keep from being beaten at what I chose to take away. Not as effective as I could have been.
I started incorporating more emotional defense into my game, fighting harder to get a D on whatever my man was trying to get, and my defense improved accordingly. Still very much disposed towards smart defense, but in position to make plays more often. This is pretty much where I’m at right now.
Most of what I’ve been thinking about is, simply, would I be a better defender if I become a more aggressive, emotional defender? Would the extra D’s I might generate from those close bids and the occasoinal burn from overcommitting to a cut outweigh the “team D” effect from simply doing my job and holding the force and keeping my man in check? It’s hard to say.
I feel like there’s a place for both styles of play, though. In some conditions, for example–windy conditions comes to mind–there’s no need to “force” the D as much, since turnover rate is naturally higher. In this sort of situation, giving up the easy breakside throw or getting too far out of position trying to make a great play has a higher degree of risk vs. reward as a defender. Turns are easier to come by, so why risk letting the other team score and put the ball in your court when you can force them to keep playing perfect to do the same thing?
In other conditions though–high level play, in non-windy conditions, say–the utility of smart defense is lessened, and getting that one key D can be potentially game-changing. The turnover environment is lower–a team runs a smooth offense that doesn’t shoot itself in the foot and doesn’t take exceptionally large risks (ie hucks for completions, not for skies)–so rather than simply do one’s job and only delay the inevitable, it might be more valuable to be the guy who lays out for every close disc (not that there would be many), hoping to generate a turn where there normally wouldn’t be one.
Of course, if a team has a good strategy to force an offense to take risks, or can otherwise increase the turnover environment through a team strategy where everyone doing their job is essential, then smart defense would again be more beneficial. This would almost be ideal, in my book. Force the other team to be perfect, knowing (or hoping) that they aren’t, rather than relying on the (at a level where teams are evenly matched, athletically) low chance of forcing a D.
There is a middle ground, but finding the balance can be hard. I would think a defense that alternates between smart and agressive defense–lulling an offense into thinking a team is playing to contain and won’t make the plays and then turning it on, snapping them out of their comfort zone with tight, aggressive D–might have the most success in the long run, but I’d be lying if I said I had a good mastery of that balance.
I’m about to wander into the realm of incoherency at this late hour, so I’ll leave it at that. In practical terms, whether one leans smart or emotional should always vary with a team or player’s strengths, and from there it should adjust to the given conditions/competition. Getting fired up has its place, but few things are worse than a questionable bid that fails and leaves the field wide open for the opponent. By the same token, taking a step back and playing smart to keep your opponent in check can be very useful, but sometimes the risk needs to be taken. Those close plays a smart player almost gets are the same plays an emotional player eats up.
Which side of the risk/reward curve do you (you is, of course, a term I use very loosely, since there are very few who read this) lean towards?
Finally over my spring term hump. Finals soon, but I expect to get at least a few productive blog posts in over the coming month. Been taking a step back from the game proper, but still thinking lots.



Nice post. as I started reading, I was thinking, “Well, depends on conditions and you’re opponent.” And then you said as much…
For instance, we could have used more “emotional defense” against Brown. In fact, the O’s D played much more in this style, and we forced more turns on them then the D.
Of course, we were playing against Brown’s D line–an easier task. And no type of D was gonna shut down Mahoney.
You also didn’t mention the psychological component of the big, emotional D. Sometimes a huge layout can change the momentum.
In general, I think if you have a 50% chance at a D, you should take it in just about every circumstance. Although you can’t really make such calculations in your head, and you certainly don’t want to end up bidding for anything within a 10 yeard radius of you (like Chimpo did at times).
Yeah, the psychological component is definitely an important facet too; sometimes it’s exactly what a team needs to get back into the game, mentally.
Brown was a tough bill though. We certainly did a great job containing on D, we forced a LOT of desperation hucks–it just so happened that Brown had a giant on the field to come down with most of those. Maybe we would have been more succesful trying to force D’s on the weaker players on Brown’s O.
Yeah, 50% was an arbitrary number choice. You’re right though. I feel like I’ve had a lot of close plays where, looking back on it, I probably could’ve gotten it if I had taken the chance and laid out (for instance, there was at least one upline dump to Vandenberg in the Brown game I literally got a hand on running–a layout would’ve been a sure thing).
Those are the ones that I think about when I’m thinking about how I need to amp up my defense.
I also meant to talk a little bit more about how even over a single point one plays more smart or more emotional. I know I start playing more emotionally after I get legitimately beaten–it’s one thing if I’m dictating my guy goes in and he gets a 5-10yd gainer with me on his back, it’s another if I’m forcing my guy out and he manages to get a couple steps of separation on me in after a hard fake, or if I lay out for a disc I’m sure I’ll get only to have my man do a great job catching in front of him to save the turn.
That’s when I get amped up and really start applying pressure.
Defense? Blech.
Things to add:
1. How does “The Poach” fit into this? Is that smart defense or emotional defense? Or is it just the only defense I know?
2. It also depends on your strengths vs your matchup. Are you smarter than him? Do you accelerate better? Are you taller (Not likely in your case)?
3. I’ve found that the majority of defenders who have success continually remind their opponent that they are there. In cut? I’m on your hip. Deep cut? I’m inches away if I don’t get the D. On the mark, you can’t ingnore me because I change my tactics. As an offensive player, if I can ignore the defender because he never forces me to consider him, I’m on easy street.
I suppose what I’m getting at is that you need to be unpredictable to play good defense. Sometimes that means a bid that has a low chance of success but will remind the opponent that you’re right there (care must be taken not to play recklessly or dangerously). Sometimes that means getting out of position on the mark while knowing that you can recover to stop the break.
The flip side of that is “The guy Who Bids All of the Time.” Waste of space and effort. This guy is generally useless as he has no idea which discs he can get to and is always out of position.
In the end, I feel taking chances on defense are almost always worth it. You need to force turns in high level play– most teams don’t just give you the disc. The thing to learn is what your strength as far as forcing turns is and how to maximize your chances of beign put in that situation.
It’s early. I hope this comment makes sense.
I don’t know where poaching would fit. i might be inclined to call it smart defense when it works…
I feel like I have a much better grasp of playing good, agressive D when I’m on the mark than when I’m in the field. I have a lot of confidence in my mark, I definitely feel more comfortable say, adjusting from playing a tight and agressive frustration mark to a looser containment type to say, cut off the swing, depending on the situation, the count, etc. Started covering handlers a lot more often once we went to Centex and it worked out pretty well for me. Also made for lots of mismatches on the turn for me to exploit.
I agree that you do need to force turns, especially at high levels, but that doesn’t necessarily mean force a layout D (though it’s definitely a means worth using). Containing well enough to force a stall-9 desperation huck is also a way to force turns, though as we found out against Brown, if you can’t stop their go-to receiver something else needs to give.